Confusion Surrounds Paramount's Blu-ray Decision

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TimSpong
Joined 6 Nov 2006
1783 comments
Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:52
OptimusP wrote:
This format war needs the porn-factor to kick in yet...or is porn just staying with DVD's? Then its clear, both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD lost, DVD won! yeah!


Haven't we come and gone all over this one? Hasn't it disappeared down a dark hole? The hard-copy market for porn has gone tits-up after the retailer made a boob by not buying hole-sale into digital delivery. Their money shot away from them...

Okay... enough of that sort of thing. What with the Internet, porn prolly isn't the player it once was in a format war... but then again, I could be talking out of my ass.

Ooooooer!

Tim

SuperSaiyan4
Joined 15 Aug 2006
1274 comments
Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:55
What happened to debbied does dallas: again? lol i thought that was supposed to be on blu-ray or hd-dvd or both cant remember.

Well i think japan seems to be favour blu-ray especially since anime seems to be looking at blu-ray, someone said that dragonball z is coming to blu-ray if thats the case then oh well :-(

I know AppleSeed: ExMachina is coming to hd-dvd woot! cant wait!
deleted
Joined 4 Jul 2007
2320 comments
Tue, 8 Jan 2008 16:56
SuperSaiyan4 wrote:
tyrion wrote:
SuperSaiyan4 wrote:
I dont see what makes blu-ray special, hd-dvd can hold upto 51gb on a single sided triple layer but even though its not out yet hd-dvd still supports a lot more features.

And Blu-ray will be able to support a 100GB disc soon, but that will only require a firmware update to existing players. The 51GB HD-DVD disc would require new drives in order to be read, so all the existing players would become obsolete.


Well 2 triple sides is 102gb...

Oh and nope you DONT need a new HD-DVD player I just rang Toshiba technical support and the fella was straight up and said there will be a firmware update, you will NOT need a new player to read triple layer discs.

Oh but from what I remember reading it was those with blu-ray players that needed to purchase new players to read the 100gb discs...


you wont get double sided triple layer HD DVD, its one or the other, the DVD/HD DVD Combi discs are one layer per side, DVD 5 and HD whatever, but no way will you see what you state, also a believe that Tosh are not giving you correct info as the laser requires to focus correctly to pick up a 3rd layer, and a firmware update wont do this if the lens isnt correct at the time of production. possibly your player was made with this in mind, but the early models wont work, and for bluray the 100GB discs wont ever be used for commercial movie based media, that will become a business storage solution.
schnide
Joined 23 Apr 2004
575 comments
Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:36
Tim Smith wrote:
Haven't we come and gone all over this one? Hasn't it disappeared down a dark hole? The hard-copy market for porn has gone tits-up after the retailer made a boob by not buying hole-sale into digital delivery. Their money shot away from them...

Okay... enough of that sort of thing. What with the Internet, porn prolly isn't the player it once was in a format war... but then again, I could be talking out of my ass.


(Snigger)

Sorry anyway yes Tim, you're right - just like I said months ago. Just like I said that Blu-Ray would win out. And just like I said the Wii (then Revolution) would fall flat on it's arse. Hurrah!

Right guys? Guys? Hello?

(Although quite what will happen to Wii sales once the mass market get bored with Wii Sports might make that a different matter. But I digress)
deleted
Joined 4 Jul 2007
2320 comments
Tue, 8 Jan 2008 17:48
schnide wrote:
Tim Smith wrote:
Haven't we come and gone all over this one? Hasn't it disappeared down a dark hole? The hard-copy market for porn has gone tits-up after the retailer made a boob by not buying hole-sale into digital delivery. Their money shot away from them...

Okay... enough of that sort of thing. What with the Internet, porn prolly isn't the player it once was in a format war... but then again, I could be talking out of my ass.


(Snigger)

Sorry anyway yes Tim, you're right - just like I said months ago. Just like I said that Blu-Ray would win out. And just like I said the Wii (then Revolution) would fall flat on it's arse. Hurrah!

Right guys? Guys? Hello?

(Although quite what will happen to Wii sales once the mass market get bored with Wii Sports might make that a different matter. But I digress)


lol at that point nintendo will prob have sold 200,000,000 of the suckers, not care and be readying the Wii 2 launch and demo units of how flapping both arm and new to the Wii 2 legs makes you not only look a t**t but makes your gran look like one too and wants to, after all no ones yet bored with using a stylus to warp Marios tash!, and i remember many saying that would fail once the hype calmed down!
schnide
Joined 23 Apr 2004
575 comments
Tue, 8 Jan 2008 18:45
haritori wrote:
After all no ones yet bored with using a stylus to warp Marios tash!, and i remember many saying that would fail once the hype calmed down!



Well that one wasn't me - I.. I.. (how do you do a heart on this thing? Oh f**k it) love my DS. Mmm-mmm, polar white goodness.
tyrion
Joined 14 Oct 1999
1786 comments
Tue, 8 Jan 2008 19:26
SuperSaiyan4 wrote:
Oh and nope you DONT need a new HD-DVD player I just rang Toshiba technical support and the fella was straight up and said there will be a firmware update, you will NOT need a new player to read triple layer discs.

Not that I'm calling you a liar, but nobody else seems to know this. I've done a quick google search and can't find a definitive answer anywhere.

Wikipedia page on HD-DVD
Toshiba has declined to say whether the 51GB, triple-layer disc is compatible with existing drives and players.

Maybe you should get a Wikipedia account and update the page?

Also from the top of that page.
A 51 GB triple-layer spec has been approved, however no movies are currently scheduled for this disc type.


SuperSaiyan4 wrote:
Oh but from what I remember reading it was those with blu-ray players that needed to purchase new players to read the 100gb discs...

One version of the 100GB disc did require this (TDK) one version didn't (Hitachi).

Wikipedia page on Blu-ray
Quad-layer (100 GB) discs have been demonstrated on a drive with modified optics (TDK version) and standard unaltered optics ("Hitachi used a standard drive.").

Also, TDK have an experimental 200GB Blu-ray disc in development;
Furthermore TDK announced in August 2006 that they have created a working experimental Blu-ray Disc capable of holding 200 GB of data on a single side, using six 33 GB data layers.[103]

Also, as far as backwards compatibility goes;
JVC has developed a three layer technology that allows putting both standard-definition DVD data and HD data on a BD/DVD combo.

In the cause of fairness I must point out that Toshiba have a similar DVD/HD-DVD system in the works.

Of course, how many of these systems will reach the consumer market is dubious. :-)
realvictory
Joined 9 Nov 2005
634 comments
Tue, 8 Jan 2008 20:02
In fairness, I don't think Wikipedia is supposed to count as a source, on its own. I'm also 100% sure that it's not totally complete or correct.

Between HD-DVD and Blu-ray, on the other hand, I have a PS3, so it would be handy if Blu-ray became the standard - whereas I'd have to buy a standalone HD-DVD player otherwise, if HD-DVD became the standard. The only thing that totally lets Blu-ray down is region-locking. We should be beyond this crap by now - and the publishers also need to learn that if people can't buy what they want, they're even more likely to "steal" it, or find a way around it somehow.

But basically, if you own an HD-DVD player and a Blu-ray player, criticising one format is foolish, because you have nothing left to lose, and you've already bought the other player that you're criticising - so criticise yourself.

All that there is left after that gets sorted out is the price ;)
headcasephil
Joined 23 Sep 2005
659 comments
Wed, 9 Jan 2008 00:22
the hd dvd vs blu ray war is starting to get good but with all you going on about the old vhs vs betamax and this company and that and 50gb 100gb and even 200gb disks there is one ponit that has not been pointed disk burning now this is a very in portent
one as we are in the time were illegal copy's are easy to get hold of and it is what will win the war not a good thing but its going to happen if you do a google for blu ray rw and you do the same for hd dvd rw theres a big diffrents on what you can get if you go in to pc wold all you are going to find is blu ray drives no hd dvd drives bar the 360 add on.
TimSpong
Joined 6 Nov 2006
1783 comments
Wed, 9 Jan 2008 09:39
realvictory wrote:
In fairness, I don't think Wikipedia is supposed to count as a source, on its own. I'm also 100% sure that it's not totally complete or correct.


Nowt to do with fairness... Wikipedia is a tertiary source at best on any subject... ever.

Cheers

Tim
SuperSaiyan4
Joined 15 Aug 2006
1274 comments
Wed, 9 Jan 2008 10:50
Well instead of checking Wikipedia why dont you ring Toshiba technical support for a comment on what I said they told me? They say a firmware update then thats what its gonna be although getting it in writing would be better.

But I clearly remember standalone blu-ray players would not be able to read the new discs but hd-dvd players would.
tyrion
Joined 14 Oct 1999
1786 comments
Wed, 9 Jan 2008 14:00
SuperSaiyan4 wrote:
Well instead of checking Wikipedia why dont you ring Toshiba technical support for a comment on what I said they told me? They say a firmware update then thats what its gonna be although getting it in writing would be better.

To be honest, I'm not that bothered either way, I just wanted to point out that I could find no definitive statement on the web at all. I used Wikipedia as an example of that. If you have a definite answer, that's great. More information for the rest of us. Thanks for taking the time to find out.

SuperSaiyan4 wrote:
But I clearly remember standalone blu-ray players would not be able to read the new discs but hd-dvd players would.

Like I said, there appear to be two 100GB Blu-ray systems, one of which would require an entirely new player one would only require a firmware update.
mummydaddy
Anonymous
Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:35
HD DVD has a better sounding name??? Are you crazy man?
just count the syllables, Blu Ray flows more easily off the tongue, and as for the formats themselves.
Blu Ray has the support not just of its movie watching followers but its gamers too.. Yes Microsoft is out ripping more people off with its X360 HD add on (still can't get over £60 ($120) for wifi add on) but the short lifespan of the 360 is killing itsgaming community as well as extortionate xbox live (yes I know its the best, but after paying 40-50 quid for a game, do you want to pay xx amount more for the privelage to play online with it (Wii and Ps3 are free).
Blu ray also has more capacity per disc with the very possible ability to be 10 layered... simply mind-boggling ( a 250GB blu ray disc).

sorry no contest and Paramount et-all are clearly cutting their own arm off if they don't realize this.
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