Ex-Nintendo VP Kaplan: Ban Sex for Lazy Parents

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Horatio
Joined 4 Mar 2008
123 comments
Mon, 1 Sep 2008 16:13
schnide wrote:
Horatio wrote:
If we were to go ahead and try to stop people from having the offspring in the 1st place, it would have to be an interview, much like the adoption process, confirm that parents-to-be are suitable for the job at hand.


So like I said then..

Two people with very low IQs should automatically be disqualified.


But that's just out of line. 'Intelligence' does not determine whether you're a loving, capable parent. I'm considering demoting you as one of my government minister's for that, but a bit of brown-nosing and I'll probably let you stay.


Well, I was extending my remit so that fewer "less intelligent" people were brought into this world. I'm pretty sure that two people with an IQ of 80 would create a child with either equal or less IQ? So, regardless of whether the parents were loving, I think that the world would be better without such people. That will no doubt get me in trouble but never mind.

As for brown-nosing.... I'll let you sit at the parent interviews!!? :-)
TimSpong
Joined 6 Nov 2006
1783 comments
Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:06
Horatio wrote:
So, regardless of whether the parents were loving, I think that the world would be better without such people. That will no doubt get me in trouble but never mind.


I don't think I've ever been quite as furious as I am right at this moment. I'm going to go for a walk now, clear my head and realise that this is a Forum for debate.

See you all tomorrow I hope.

Cheers

Tim

deleted
Joined 4 Jul 2007
2320 comments
Mon, 1 Sep 2008 17:59
S**t i use the games to babysit the kids so we can have sex!!


and no i aint joking, but also why the feck should me allowingmy kids to have a bit of queit time with there PS2 so i can have a bit of quiet time with my whatever i want be any of Nintendos business, a better quote from her would of been, "people who neglect there kids through using games to babysit" using a bit of creative thinking to get 5 mins to actually do somehitnn gimprotant liek ring the coucil tax office and ask why the feck its gone up again! without kids screaming for toys and juice and cut knees and lost teeth and spilt oil on new carpet! is no bad thing,

but lets not forget she doesnt need games to babysit she prolly has a nanny to do that. :)

also horatio does this perfect country have the death chambers for those who do not have blue eyes and blonde hair?
Horatio
Joined 4 Mar 2008
123 comments
Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:07
Tim Smith wrote:
Horatio wrote:
So, regardless of whether the parents were loving, I think that the world would be better without such people. That will no doubt get me in trouble but never mind.


I don't think I've ever been quite as furious as I am right at this moment. I'm going to go for a walk now, clear my head and realise that this is a Forum for debate.

See you all tomorrow I hope.

Cheers

Tim



See, told you I'd get into trouble for that :-P

As has already been said, this is just fantasy and much of what I'm writing here is said in jest, just to test reaction and for the fun I have in debating such things.

Seriously Tim, do you never walk around your local town centre (does the underwater castle have one?) and not think to yourself "gee, i wish some of these people had not been born"? Every time I venture into the great outdoors, I'm faced with 6 to 16 years olds who can't read the time properly, never mind an actual book. We could blame a lot of factors, poor schools, bad parenting, economic adversity if you like, but in too many cases it comes down to genetics, we are now bearing as a country too many village idiots. Or to be more accurate, I personally think that is the case, though exam results would suggest otherwise.

I get the point that you're furious about, it was perhaps harsh to say that loving parents should not be allowed to have children, but you do quote out of contect of what I said as a whole. On a grander scale, the earth is now starting to strain under the populace as it is, why not try and slow population growth by using IQ as a factor - we get fewer births, and maybe the new generation of intelli-kids will grow up and invent perpetual motion?

According to many films and books, should the world go tits up in a nuclear fire, the various governments of the world already have a plan to keep the brightest minds alive, such plans are obviously just the reactive version of what I've stated.

I think I ran a little off-topic here though, this was meant to be a debate over whether you'd have sex with Mrs Kaplan was it not??
Horatio
Joined 4 Mar 2008
123 comments
Mon, 1 Sep 2008 19:16
haritori wrote:
S**t i use the games to babysit the kids so we can have sex!!


and no i aint joking, but also why the feck should me allowingmy kids to have a bit of queit time with there PS2 so i can have a bit of quiet time with my whatever i want be any of Nintendos business, a better quote from her would of been, "people who neglect there kids through using games to babysit" using a bit of creative thinking to get 5 mins to actually do somehitnn gimprotant liek ring the coucil tax office and ask why the feck its gone up again! without kids screaming for toys and juice and cut knees and lost teeth and spilt oil on new carpet! is no bad thing,

but lets not forget she doesnt need games to babysit she prolly has a nanny to do that. :)

also horatio does this perfect country have the death chambers for those who do not have blue eyes and blonde hair?


My perfect country would have the death chamber, yes, but not for blue eyes and blonde hair :-)

Now that technology has advanced to the point where DNA evidence is so much more credible, I would introduce death by lethal injection for the very worst offenders - only in cases where the evidence was beyond doubt and where the offender confessed. I don't see the point in spending tax payer money on people who are guilty of terrible crimes, if someone takes a gun to innocent people then shoots himself and fails to kill himself, should we really be paying psychiatrists to find out why he did it, paying doctors to operate and save his life, paying lawyers etc to put it through the courts, and then on top of that paying for the prison system to house him for the rest of his life?

Okay, for the victims, it will help them with closure to find out the 'why', so the doctors etc are okay, but once we know why, I'd hand him a gun and let him finish the job.
headcasephil
Joined 23 Sep 2005
659 comments
Mon, 1 Sep 2008 20:03
Horatio wrote:
If we were to go ahead and try to stop people from having the offspring in the 1st

So like I said then..

Two people with very low IQs should automatically be disqualified.


thats getting in to Eugenics which dose not work as if you wanted high IQ humans it would be fin to start with but arter time people that did not meet the minimal requirement could not breed and as a result shrinking the amount of people that you could breed with = that fact that you would have to mate you sister brother mum dad granddad so on so just look at the breeding of dogs to see that as a pure breed dog can only breed with it own it only has limited mates it can breed with resulting some ware a long the line having to mate with family resulting with genetic f**k ups
being past on
schnide
Joined 23 Apr 2004
575 comments
Mon, 1 Sep 2008 21:20
So...

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Um...

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Anyone for a game of Mario Tennis?
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TBoneTony
Anonymous
Tue, 2 Sep 2008 00:55
Well it is about time that a person 'who used to be from nintendo' finally said that Parents need to take the responsibility of raising their children instead of letting them thinking that all you need to do it to put a TV in front of a child and they will 'learn' everything sadly parenting is not as simple as that,

as I have learned from a few examples from my external family.

Parenting takes time and even though children don't understand their parents, it can also be said that parents don't understand their children too.


Also for parents who don't understand videogames, there is ALWAYS the ESRB, BBFC, PEGI and the OFLC content classification ratings that are there to help them.

but because there will always be parents who just will never understand the Videogame Classification Ratings there will always be misinformed parents and there will always be parents who just never understand videogames and place the blame on Videogames when their kids turn out bad.

And finally someone from the Videogame Industry is finally pointing that out and say that we do all the good work, but parents need to take their own responsibility to raise their kids.
TimSpong
Joined 6 Nov 2006
1783 comments
Tue, 2 Sep 2008 11:32
Horatio wrote:
Seriously Tim, do you never walk around your local town centre (does the underwater castle have one?) and not think to yourself "gee, i wish some of these people had not been born"?


Nope, I tend to think, "How can we construct some form of society in which co-operation is seen as a good thing."

Horatio wrote:
We could blame a lot of factors, poor schools, bad parenting, economic adversity if you like, but in too many cases it comes down to genetics, we are now bearing as a country too many village idiots.


I do blame a mix of factors only one of which is genetics.

I understand that for many people 'Genetics' is superior because it sounds all 'sciencey and stuff' and therefore has some form of 'truth' to it (and gets mentioned on Csi a load of times). I understand that that 'poor schools and economic adversity' sound less sciencey and stuff and are therefore less 'truthy'. What I don't understand is - if we discount all the environmental factors ('less truthy') and agree that it comes down to genetics - it would mean that Genetic Evolution (which is loads of science all in one go) is in fact making us more stupid.

Erm... why?

Horatio wrote:
I get the point that you're furious about...


No, mate, you really don't. And that's no fault of yours. I'm withholding relevant personal detail.

Horatio wrote:
...you do quote out of context what I said as a whole.

I don't think I've actually quoted you at all yet.

Horatio wrote:
On a grander scale, the earth is now starting to strain under the populace as it is, why not try and slow population growth by using IQ as a factor


Because (a) there is no way of objectively judging an absolute IQ (b) being clever doesn't make you nurturing (c) being the child of clever parents does not make you sane.

Horatio wrote:
I think I ran a little off-topic here though, this was meant to be a debate over whether you'd have sex with Mrs Kaplan was it not??


Nope. I would not. I would currently have sex with Lila from series two of Dexter.

Cheers

Tim
schnide
Joined 23 Apr 2004
575 comments
Tue, 2 Sep 2008 12:03
Tim Smith wrote:
Horatio wrote:
Seriously Tim, do you never walk around your local town centre (does the underwater castle have one?) and not think to yourself "gee, i wish some of these people had not been born"?


Nope, I tend to think, "How can we construct some form of society in which co-operation is seen as a good thing."


Really? Aren't you based in Wakefield?

Tim Smith wrote:
Horatio wrote:
We could blame a lot of factors, poor schools, bad parenting, economic adversity if you like, but in too many cases it comes down to genetics, we are now bearing as a country too many village idiots.


I do blame a mix of factors only one of which is genetics.


Just for the record fact fans, human development is now thought to be a result of approximately 30% genetics, 70% environment. A child with a genetic predisposition to low intelligence in a good school may still do well, or a child with a genetic predisposition to high intelligence may be stunted with a poor lack of educational resources.

The argument would therefore follow that we need an environment which educates all to a high standard - rather than sending your kids off to boarding school because you can afford it, or plonking them in front of the TV all day because you can't be bothered to stimulate them yourself.

Tim Smith wrote:
Horatio wrote:
I get the point that you're furious about...


No, mate, you really don't. And that's no fault of yours. I'm withholding relevant personal detail.


If we have offended, I'm sure you have all our apologies Tim (but at least you know that no-one's being personal).

This thread is starting to go a little off-topic. If we ever were to prohibit society to those with a high level of IQ, I'd be interested to see where Horatio would rate in that and if he would still advocate it if it mean his elimination, either before or after birth. I don't think we're in any danger of that kind of society soon.

Regardless, IQ is hardly the sole contributor to forming a nurturing, inclusive, developed, understanding, tolerant and well-edcuated society anyway. But sitting your child in front of either an interactive or non-interactive television screen in anything more than moderation, particularly as an alternative to good parenting, is not going to get us there any faster.
TimSpong
Joined 6 Nov 2006
1783 comments
Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:05
schnide wrote:
Really? Aren't you based in Wakefield?


Arf and yes... we are.

schnide wrote:
If we have offended, I'm sure you have all our apologies Tim (but at least you know that no-one's being personal).


I was/am/was/amway furious. I'm not offended. Hell, I'm at SPOnG for godz's sakes, I can't afford to be offended.

schnide wrote:
This thread is starting to go a little off-topic.

Yeah, brilliant. I like that about SPOnG Forum folk. Diverse. Diversity is good.

schnide wrote:
But sitting your child in front of either an interactive or non-interactive television screen in anything more than moderation, particularly as an alternative to good parenting, is not going to get us there any faster.


Good parenting, now there's a barrel of worms all called Pandora. Maybe it's time to ask someone in authority such as, say, the governor of Alaska.

Cheers

Tim

------ Today Tim's Pomposity Rating is a pathetic 70% Apparently ----
schnide
Joined 23 Apr 2004
575 comments
Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:41
Tim Smith wrote:
Good parenting, now there's a barrel of worms all called Pandora. Maybe it's time to ask someone in authority such as, say, the governor of Alaska.


I'd rather to listen to the state senator for Illinois, if we're going to obscurely reference US politicians for views on abortion all for reasons I'm not entirely clear about..
TimSpong
Joined 6 Nov 2006
1783 comments
Tue, 2 Sep 2008 14:48
schnide wrote:
I'd rather to listen to the state senator for Illinois, if we're going to obscurely reference US politicians for views on abortion all for reasons I'm not entirely clear about..


Last week, obscure; this week, not so much.
schnide
Joined 23 Apr 2004
575 comments
Tue, 2 Sep 2008 15:11
Tim Smith wrote:
schnide wrote:
I'd rather to listen to the state senator for Illinois, if we're going to obscurely reference US politicians for views on abortion all for reasons I'm not entirely clear about..


Last week, obscure; this week, not so much.


You're still being obscure Tim - what's that got to do with the topic in hand?

(Unless you're referencing yourself here, in which case, it's your own business and not something you need to be posting on here)
DoctorDee
Joined 3 Sep 1999
2130 comments
Tue, 2 Sep 2008 16:09
Tim Smith wrote:
Here's an admission that should lead to my Mum being pilloried in the public square

Tim, I don't think anyone isn't suggesting that things wouldn't have not been better if you hadn't never been born.

Horatio wrote:
Tim Spong makes his point clear that not every situation is black and white

That's just fence-sitter talk, man. Have the courage of your convictions. Tim is famously equivocal.

Tim wrote:
I don't think I've ever been quite as furious as I am right at this moment. I'm going to go for a walk now, clear my head and realise that this is a Forum for debate.

Wow, Tim's pomposity rating broke clean through 100%.


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